Welcome to Granada’s Workshop on the Tuesday
9th of the 6th 20-15. The stark skeleton is back and I have a great
guest this week for you guys, certainly its something that excited me when I learned about
it and my guest is an all-round good feller to be honest and I would like to welcome Andrew
Fletcher, Welcome to Awake Radio. Thank you very much Steven.
I hope your listeners are going to enjoy this. My first question would be, who designed your
bed and what qualifications di he have or she have to state the human race should sleep
on a flat bed? Actually, the literature states, the medical
literature that is, that sleeping on a flat bed is probably the worse thing you can do
and yet we all do it? It’s really bizarre
Yes, well it’s something I never really questioned until such times as I had come across yourself.
How did you come across it and what made you aware of this situation?
Well it’s a strange one really, I bought a GCSE Biology book because I was struggling
to try and understand how fluid was transported in trees, how sap moved from the roots up
to the leaves. I bought the book from a car boot sale and
within 20 minutes I had solved a problem that has puzzled scientists since science began.
The problem was that they asked the wrong question. You see the question is how do trees
raise water from the roots up to the leaves. Well that suggests a one way flow, but if
we look at a tree we have got a downward flow and a return flow, so the downward flow is
in the phloem laden with heavy sap and the return flow is in the xylem with dilute sap
because the xylem picks up water from the soil.
Now the theory I came up with was that the evaporation from the leaves of a tree which
concentrates the sap by per cent, because it evaporates 98 per cent of all of the water
that enters through the roots, through the leaves, so that must concentrate the sap at
the top of the tree. Now the leaves produce sugars by photosynthesis
and the sap also contains nutrients from the soil, so that massive loss of moisture must
make the sap denser at the top of the tree than at the bottom of the tree.
So gravity dictates that the denser sap will migrate towards a sink. Now that sink can
be a fruit or it can be down through the trunk of the tree out through the branches and down
to the roots. Now as the sap percolates down through the
tree, the tree takes up the excess or spent salts and sugars in it’s cycle of growth,
storing them away in it’s ever increasing girth of it’s trunk and the branches, so any
sap laden with salts and sugars that reaches the roots is diluted by incoming water from
the soil. So that makes the upward flow always less
dense than the downward flow. The correct question should have been: How
do trees circulate sap? If they had asked that question then the answer
would have been blatantly obvious. You know, the downward flow generates a return flow,
because as the sap flows down one side, it generates molecular drag. In other words each
molecule that moves down is dragging on the molecule behind it and that molecule behind
it can reach right the way back down through the xylem flow and out into the ground water,
so in effect that down-flow is not only dragging water up to the top of a giant Californian
Redwood, it is actually pulling the water in towards the roots.
Now to test this, I set up a simple experiment in Brixham using 6 millimetre bore tubing,
the kind that is used in the pub trade, clear nylon had a giant loop of water filled tubing
that was strung up a cliff to 24 meters up a cliff
The science books says it can only go to ten meters.
Well I didn’t take any notice of that and neither do the trees.
So what I showed in front of forestry commission scientists and journalists back in I think
it was 1997 or could have been earlier than 97.
What I showed there was that a tiny pinch of salt in one side of this tube which is
filled with boiled water, so we have taken out any gas bubbles, with both open ends pushed
into two bottles of water both equal level with the ground and to the centre of the tube
before it’s hoisted up the cliff, I have added 10 millilitres of coloured salt solution with
food dye and as the tube rises, the salt solution starts flowing down one side and one bottle
starts to overflow and the fluid level in the bottle on the other side goes down, which
means that tiny 10 millilitres of salt solution is lifting thousands of times its own volume,
vertically without a pump to 24 metres. There is a video on Youtube of the actual
experiment that day. When I did that, I actually have repeated
the experiment many times, I realised we are dealing with a none living physical force
that must apply wherever evaporation takes place at the upper end of a column that contains
liquids which are heavy denser substance, now that includes blood in the body, the lymphatic
system and the cerebrospinal fluid circulation. So the evaporation from our respiratory tract
is doing exactly the same as the trees, so we are boiling away water. Now that means
the blood that supplies the lungs as it enters is less dense but as it exits the lungs it
becomes more dense because we are evaporating water away from this liquid, so it then passes
through the heart and then the heart injects it back into the main artery and if we are
the right way around according to gravity, I.E. standing up or lying on an inclined bed.
Gravity can assist the circulation around the body.
When I nailed this, I thought this is really interesting and one of the first things we
tested it with was varicose veins. And oedema and within four weeks a varicose
vein had gone flat , but not one varicose vein another vein on a nurse that had also
become interested in the theory a nurse called Stephanie Ness who tilted her bed and she
reported in 4 weeks that her varicose vein had gone flat.
Now that told me that we had nailed something really important because the medical profession
will say to ease your varicose veins you need to raise your legs up. We have done the opposite
and it has had a lasting effect. Hmm, well you know oedema is a thing that
I am familiar with and that is what I am trying to use the inclined bed therapy for at the
moment for my feet are obviously swelling up, but effectively what you are talking about
the sap in the tree is it’s a circulatory problem that we are improving if you
Yes like on an inclined bed
Another angle if you will excuse the pun was to see if anybody had done anything with an
angled bed or an inclined bed before and it turns out that in Ancient Constantinople the
hospitals there were praised as being the most successful having the most successful
track record with treating people with illnesses had their beds inclined according to a painting
which I had found and when I went back further, in the ancient Egyptian Tombs, the grave robbers
went in and pulled out all the gold and the jewels.
They missed the elephant in the room and the elephant in this room was that the beds were
inclined and to this date, no one has asked why these very clever people were sleeping
on inclined beds? I went as far to ask a curator at the Boston
Museum to measure one of these beds and it was raised exactly six inches higher at the
head end. Exactly the same angle I had arrived at by observing the way fluids flowed around
a closed loop of tubing, again with a pinch of salt solution at the pillow end. If I raised
the bed up to 4 inches, what I got was a two tier flow in one side of the closed loop of
tubing. In other words, the coloured salt solution was flowing down on the bottom of
the one side of the tube and the return flow was above it so I had two directional flow
in one side of the closed loop of tube. When I started to get over 5 inches then the
whole loop of tubing was circulating, so that represented the down flow as the arteries
and the return flow as the venous return and that was how I arrived at the angle. But they
got there before me. And in fact if we go back to the sweating
sickness in the Tudor period, what they found was this illness which is still a mystery
today had killed millions of people and what they found was that if they placed two guards
by the side of the bed , presumably to prevent the person from laying down, because generally
if they did lay down they were dead by the morning. They survived and a tempest raged
across the country for a few days , a storm. This is written up in the annals of history
and it swept the unusually humid atmosphere away, it swept it away. Now if you sweep out
high humidity from the atmosphere, what you are doing is you are enabling the lungs to
clear fluid from the lungs. If you are breathing in as much water as you are breathing out,
that has an impact on your circulation and then if you sleep on a flat bed that’s a double
impact on your circulation. Hmmm You mentioned that before about the humidity
and that makes a whole lot of sense Yes and the strange thing is in hospitals
they actually nebulise water into people lungs. Now we should have a certain amount of water
but maybe this should be done intermittently so as not to stagnate the circulation in the
lungs. In my case when I have been in hospital, three
times a day I may be getting fluids put into my lungs and so that would seem to be an awful
lot to what your saying there yes. Well doctors and nurses are recommending raising
the foot end of the bed to relieve oedema and varicose veins and this does provide some
temporary relief because it shifts the fluid problem back into the upper torso but when
you stand up again in the morning the oedema comes back. Now with the sloping bed, the
inclined bed, this alters the pressure in the veins, because the oedema in the legs
is caused because the pressure in the veins is greater than the surrounding tissue, so
the fluid flows out from from the veins into the surrounding tissue causing the swelling,
With the sloping bed as we have discussed it pulls the varicose veins in so what we
have done is applied tension to the blood in the veins and we have also lowered the
pressure in the blood in the veins which causes the fluid to migrate from the legs back into
the circulatory system, through the circulatory system and out into the kidneys where it is
filtered and out into the bladder where it is excreted in the urine
And that’s the other part of the circulatory system in the body because as the blood flows
down in the arteries, the concentrated blood with the salts it flows through the kidneys,
the kidneys filter out theses salts and excrete them in the urine. That’s why hot urine will
sink to the bottom of the toilet, so the blood passing through the kidneys is less dense.
Meaning that the blood in the venous return is always less dense than the down-flow in
the arteries. Hmm you say the venous return, would you like
to explain that a little bit more? It’s the flow of blood back through the veins
to the heart. Right I see
So that’s the oxygen deficient blood returning back to the heart.
Yeah very interesting Yeah You have obviously had some success with different people with
legs that have become enlarged and so on. Do you think you could tell us of some of
The first problem I had was looking at ladies legs for all the wrong reasons
Ha ha ha I was looking for varicose veins and oedema,
which is a strange thing to be doing. But my Mother had varicose veins and oedema
and i managed to convince her that I wasn’t insane. She eventually succumbed and tilted
the bed and after four weeks she phoned me up and said what’s this bed all about?
I said, look Mom I have explained it to you She said well run it by me one more time
I said you have got something to tell me about your veins, she said Oh yes the veins have
improved, she said, but I’m standing here twiddling my toes and moving my ankle on my
left foot. I said what do you want a round of applause?
She said I haven’t done that for ten years. ha ha ha ha right, very good
That was interesting because that indicated that not only was the blood circulation affected
but this was also the circulation in the nervous system. Because she had obviously got some
nerve damage having lost control of the limb and the sensitivity.
That then led on to other research into neurological conditions. But back to your oedema. Yes we
have had quite a few people reporting in that edema is reduced significantly and the most
spectacular was with a guy with Parkinson’s disease over in Torquay.
He had severely swollen body, best described as he was like a water balloon.
We tilted his bed for the Parkinson’s and within a few days his wife was on the phone
saying I can’t stop my husband from urinating. It was like a continuous stream of urine and
by the end of the week his clothes fell on the floor because he had lost so much weight
from fluid. I can imagine
But the other one was an interesting one, I had a meeting with a vascular surgeon called
Peter Lewis and another vascular surgeon called Celeste, and this was at Lewis’s home in Torquay
and I showed him my experiments on the kitchen table and his reaction was; “My god he said,
I thought pure science was dead in the water and yet here it is on the Kitchen table. He
said this just makes so much sense. What do you think would happen if someone
was running, what would happen to the pressures in the veins and the arteries?
I said I would expect to see an increase in arterial pressure and an equal decrease in
venous pressure. He said; that’s exactly what happens and nobody
in Medical school understands why. Right
And then he said I have a patient in Torquay hospital who has ascitis of the liver, which
is swelling of the abdominal cavity with fluid and he described her as being like a giant
water balloon. He said we have tried diuretics and nothing
worked. He said I’m just going to leave the meeting for a second and I will go to Torquay
and it was just around the corner from where Peter lived, and I will just go and check
on this lady. And when he come back he said; it’s exactly
as you have said. The fluid loss I have seen is unprecedented. No diuretics worked and
raising the legs didn’t work, but tilting the whole patient has shown remarkable improvements.
So he was convinced, lots of promises have been made that the medical profession will
help me here with studies. And help me to get over these hurdles, you know nothing ever
happens, you just have to do what you can with the limited resources you have at hand.
Yeah I mean that’s effectively they can’t make money out of it I think is why they are
not helping you. Yes that’s the problem Steve, you have hit
the nail on the head. If there was a lot of money involved, people could make a lot of
money and you would get the help of vascular surgeons.
Edzard Ernst. I had a meeting with him at Exeter Hospital and he was really fascinated
by the experiments that I showed him on his work top. And he agreed that we should conduct
a study into varicose veins and oedema because the visual observations would be difficult
to disprove. So he arranged for me to see a doctor who
would give us access to his patients. I travelled to Exeter on my own, went to see
this guy and as I walked through the door he said; Are you mr Fletcher? I said yes.
He said, let me make one thing clear. I do not want anything to do with you, your theory
or any trial do I make myself clear? I said perfectly. I walked away.
He makes a living from repeat surgery operating on varicose veins.
Yes So why would he want to learn that two blocks
of wood under someone’s bed could actually prevent those veins from getting worse and
improve them? Yeah, that’s the difference between someone
that is doing a job and a healer. Yeah,
Effectively I am just in it for the science. You asked
me for a little bit about myself. I have an engineering background. I was a mechanical
engineer like yourself, heavy engineering as well as an apprentice boiler maker in the
Midlands. Erm, I have quite a varied background, lateral
thinking is my main stumbling block, because if I see a problem I try and solve it.
And it becomes quite an occupation, 20 years later I am still trying to solve problems
for people. Well I mean from what I was talking to you
Andrew and it has been thoroughly fascinating every time I have spoken to you, you distil
your own oils, your solar power and things like that, I know that’s a little bit off
subject but it certainly shows you are a man of many talents that’s for sure.
aye. My worst nightmare is having to call someone
out to do something for me. Ha ha ha ha
Well with Granada s workshop, I try and promote people to be self dependent and your exactly
what that is, your being self dependent. I find that fascinating really.
So the question here is how safe is that flat bed?
It’s labelled death bed. That should be a big clue really shouldn’t it?
Yeah yeah In fact 3.30 am is the time most people die
in their sleep. And that’s exactly the time that laying on
a flat bed causes a 2 degree drop in body temperature.
Now when we measured our mouth temperature exactly the same as they did for the two degree
drop in healthy people. What we found was that we didn’t get that
two degree drop when we were on an inclined bed.
Our body temperature remained stable. Which was fascinating.
And if we go back, the Doctors know exactly what is going on here.
Doctor Richard Asher in 1942, he wrote: Look at the patient ling alone in his bed
What a pathetic picture he makes The blood clotting in his veins
The lime draining from his bones The scybola stacking up in his colon
The flesh rotting from his seat The urine leaking from his distended bladder
and the spark evaporating from his soul Teach us to live that we may dread unnecessary
time in bed Get people up and we may save patients from
an early grave.
1942 and yet Hospitals are still assessed on how many beds they have?
Yeah I have some horror stories as well with my
own Father In a coma in hospital. I had fought tooth
and nail to get his bed on an angle. They told us he had hours to live, he had
pancreatic cancer. Which had spread from the gall bladder and
he was in a coma, his legs were massive, again back to the oedema, they had to cut his pyjamas
because they were so tight. The urine in his catheter was brown and blood
stained and thick like tar. We were told he had multiple organ failure and that he only
had hours to live. I said look you have got to tilt this bed!
First of all they refused, thinking that I was daft and then finally they gave up when
I got a little bit angry and tilted his bed and every time I turned my back, they would
put the bed back down again. But he came out of his coma and his urine
started to run clear within hours, his organs started functioning again and the yellowness
was going from his skin. So this was quite remarkable and yet they kept trying to put
the bed back flat. He walked out of that hospital, though he
had a stent operation to ease the pressure in his gall bladder and he enjoyed another
8 months of life when he was given hours to live.
Unfortunately the pancreatic cancer got the better of him, and no amount of education
from me about changing his diet seemed to sink in. You know he still enjoyed his bacon
sandwich and his glass of whisky. You know I loved that guy, he was amazing
and a hard man as well, he never took so much as a paracetamol for pain while he was in
that hospital. Yeah yeah, I mean what you are expressing
here must have been infuriating to find that they come in behind your back and changing
I mean obviously they are trying to protect their jobs to some extent, not really caring
for the patient and they are clearly seeing that it was effective what you were doing.
But They are working from a book Steve, that’s
the problem, and if there are mistakes in that book they will keep repeating the mistakes
Yes yes Because that’s the way it is done if you like.
Yes. that’s the way they were taught in Med School.
Yes yes but it is sad, I really think that that was very sad and on this earth that people
can see things and do things in front of their eyes and plain just turn around and refuse
to look at it. You know. Yes
Well we have touched on a few things there about the dangers of bed rest. What happens
with the heart when you sleep on an inclined bed?
Well the heart rate decreases by 10 to 12 beats per minute and your respiration rate
decreases by 4 to 5 breaths per minute. Yet your circulation increases. Now I tested this
on sleeping dogs, 3 bull terriers to be honest, who have no problem sleeping. I tested their
heart rate and respiration rate just against a stop watch, while they were sleeping flat
and then while they were sleeping on an incline. And their reductions were exactly the same
a decrease in heart rate by 10 to 12 beats per minute and in respiration rate by 4 to
5 breaths per minute. So clearly you know we are dealing with something that is not
just human specific but it goes right across the animal world as well.
I can verify that. I can verify that to be right as I have a oxymeter as I was speaking
to you that you put on your finger and measures your heart rate and your blood gases. I may
be going a little bit out of my dealings with the inclined bed but the times I have managed
to get into bed and once I have become relaxed in bed, my heart rate is generally about the
same as my bloods so if my bloods are about 95, my heart rate generally is 95 and since
I inclined the bed I have been getting my bloods 95 and my heart rate as been about
85, so I can verify what you are saying there it is absolutely true and I have never discussed
that before as we have been chatting, it is absolutely right that my heart rate dropped
by 10 beats per minute. The other thing that we found was that we
measured the density of our urine because as I said earlier, the kidneys are filtering
out the salts and other materials from the blood, so I would expect that if we are on
an incline to see a change in urine density. Now we measured it using a simple hydrometer,
the type you would use in beer making. And what we found was that the flat bed rest caused
the urine density to decrease over and above normal daily activity, in other words the
kidneys are not functioning properly. Head down bed rest caused the urine density
to drop down to near water levels, in other words no salts were being erected from the
bladder and that when we raised the head end of the bed we found that the urine readings
went up and became stronger and more dense. I was just clocking the time there Andrew
and we are getting to about 25 minutes to. Just one question about when you were talking
about the density of your urine, would keeping properly hydrated be the optimum way of improving
your chances of it doing something for you? Yes
Or is there something else we can do to help? Yes I have a bottle of water by the side of
the bed and advocate that people should be drinking more water on inclined bed therapy.
Because there is going to be a huge detox going on when you first tilt your bed so you
need to replace the excess fluids that we are evaporating and excreting in the urine,
which is logical, it makes sense, we should all be drinking more water anyway.
So yes and if it means having to get out of bed in the night to have a wee, being upright
is a great thing, you know, and in fact Joan Vernikos, who is the former head of life sciences
in NASA advocates that people. especially the elderly should stand every 20 minutes
and she is saying that sitting down is killing us and that bed rest is killing us.
So make a point of standing every 20 minutes if only for a couple of minutes, which I find
fascinating. What she did was, there was an 82 year old,
I think he was 82 or 92 year old who was in the same job at NASA and he was in a wheel
chair and she advised him during her seminar to actually get out of the wheelchair and
stand every 20 minutes. When he was visited by someone who got back to Joan , said that
he actually served them their meal and he wasn’t in a wheelchair any more. So that’s
just standing up and in fact if we take gravity away all together, which is with astronauts
in space, the ageing process is accelerated by over 10% than it is here on Earth.. 10
times faster tan it is here on Earth. You get massive bone de-calcification, osteoporosis,
neurological damage, kidney stones, gall stones, bladder stones, visual disturbances, changes
in the fluid, your skin becomes much thinner and ages much faster in space and NASA have
studied the effects of flat bed rest and head down bed rest and in fact they are paying
people $17,000 dollars just to sleep or stay in a bed that is tilted down by six degrees.
They are doing this to actually mimic what happens in space, so they are ageing these
people ten times faster than if they were having normal daily activity. So again the
mirror there is the bed rest is used to reflect what happens to the body when we travel in
micro gravity in space. Humm hmm you couldn’t pay me that amount of
money. No no. Hello Andrew
Hi David how are you?
I’m fine thank you Hi David
Is that Steve? It is
Hi Steve You are live on awake radio and I was going
to go for a tune but decided to call you in welcome to awake
Thank you Where are you talking from?
I’m a Scotsman living in Ireland We go out all around the World, America Australia
South Africa, the Whole shooting match so to speak
You are from America I believe? No I am a Yorkshire man
Right, I should have recognised that accent. I have been to Ireland and enjoyed it I have
been down to Devon where Andrew lives. I met Andrew around 1993 I think
I think it was a bout 1995 96 95 96 right Time flies
It does So I am assuming that you have tried the inclined
bed therapy David? Yes well when I first met Andrew he mentioned
about the inclined bed and all of his research with trees and things like that and the circulation
of nature and I decided to must have been 95 96 to buy an inclined bed off him and within
a few months he was so generous him and his wife drove 350 miles north up to where I lived
and delivered the bed. I was very grateful at the time.
I still am because I have slept on that bed ever since and it took a while of perseverance
to adjust myself to it and it certainly paid off.
Could I ask what benefits you have attained from it?
Well prior to meeting Andrew I had been an instrument engineer working off shore almost
24 hours 7 days a week In fact it was the disaster of Piper Alpha
in 1989 that decided me to chuck my construction boots in, but at the time I was suffering
of all the following medical conditions. Keratitis, which is an irritation of the eye
which doctors did not know how to cure it. Tinnitus which they couldn’t treat at the
time. Deafness because I had been working off shore in a very noisy environment and
I also had a prolapsed disc for about maybe 20 years before I met Andrew.
That produced sciatica and by the time I met Andrew I had arthritis of the spine and also
my fingers I couldn’t bear to pick anything up. In fact I used to play the piano and I
couldn’t bear to touch the notes with my fingers. Since then, having persevered with the inclined
bed six inches which Andrew made, all of those conditions have virtually gone.
To be quite truthful, I have never needed to see any doctors or medical physicians since
2001 and since that day I have never taken any medical prescriptions or anything like
that whatsoever. It has been a gradual process within my body. You can’t have an agenda when
you start laying on an inclined bed, you are just wasting your own time having an agenda,
thinking that yes I am going to get better tomorrow or the next week or cure all ills
and things like that. You have got to maintain a good life and sleep
on this inclined bed. And if you can persevere it’s going to be well worth it.
Sure sure And what do you think that healed David Andrew?
What would be your assumption of it? Well, David is one case of many and over 20
years I have heard many many cases like David’s. It seems to identify that the flat bed was
actually the cause of many of the problems, possibly as he mentioned working on the rigs
being very damp as we discussed early a very damp climate will have a double whammy affect,
in fact many of the people that work in the fishing an the boats and trawlers you see
them walking around in the harbour areas and they are crippled up with severe problems
with the skeletal frame, arthritis, doubled over and not a great job like David’s job.
So if we have identified that the flat bed could have been the cause and if we take the
flat bed out of the equation we should all get better.
I am not saying it is a cure all for everyone but I have had success with spinal cord injury,
Parkinson’s multiple sclerosis, even a problem with human fertility believe it or not.
Influenza, chicken pox, so it boosts the immune system as well. We tend not to get as ill
as we did when we slept on a flat bed, you know if you get Man-flu the man usually lays
down flat and gets very ill Ha ha ha
The wife doesn’t get man-flu because she is too busy running around looking after the
husband, so they are always upright and they tend not to get as ill as the men and in fact
if we go back to the sweating sickness it was probably the men that died more-so than
the women. Ha ha ha
Talking about man flu and colds, I can’t remember how many years it has been since I had such
an event Yes
Well David thank you very much for chipping in
Thank you You are more than welcome my friend
For me it tends to recycle your body energies down to your feet more efficiently no matter
what salts, no matter what chemicals you have got in your body everything has to be emitted
from your body and from your feet eventually and your toes
It seems to do what I have just explained Well I suppose that
your circulation is your healing energy and
that if it is able to get to everything then it’s obviously going to heal.
Well without circulation we are dead. Yeah yeah yeah
Fascinating fascinating I will play devils advocate just for one second
David. Is there anything that you reckon may have helped your healing process other than
the inclined bed therapy? Well I have never drunk alcohol for about
four or five years now and never smoked. Well put it this way I smoked when I was about
30 for about 4 years and then I knocked it off.
That’s erm 45 years ago ha ha So effectively all you have done is pretty
much maintained a healthy diet and inclined bed therapy and that has been it?
In fact when I stopped working offshore I was over 15 stone in weight and because of
all the good food that they supply to you in the meals off shore. That 15 stones is
now slimmed down to about 11 and a half stones in the last 20 odd years.
And I have just maintained that weight and I enjoy my eating so it must be the bed.
I have just made contact with Terri would you like to maybe bring Terri in a minute?
Yes please Terri’s daughter Steve, took one of my experiments
to school Oh yeah
Hmm hmm And entered it into to the, what did you call
it Terri, like a science fair was it? A science fair, right
3 2 1 Welcome back to Awake radio folks and when
I started the show I never mentioned any of our affiliates so I will give them a quick
mention and I will get Andrew to mention his website as well
So Obviously Awake U.S. and Awake Australia and Turtle Island News Shazis Radio dot come
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guys, oh no ha ha but where ever you are listening whatever your platform you are listening from
guys I hope you are finding this information very valid and very useful and you now understand
it Some subjects are not always the most interesting
nut certainly for me this is an interesting subject it is something that is very very
cheap and it’s not going to cost you a great deal of money and it’s something as Andrew
said is repeatable and you know I think it’s well worth having a go to be honest.
So Andrew welcome back again and Thank you Steven
And Terri as joined us from the good old US of A which will please a lot of our listeners.
Hello everyone So Terri would you like to give us a little
introduction to your inclined bed therapy? I found the website talked about the inclined
bed therapy and I was new to multiple sclerosis and I didn’t take any medication yet for the
multiple sclerosis and I found this information and I thought huh you want somebody to try
something new. I will be happy to try that. Didn’t involve any needles or pain or medication
and didn’t cost me anything, yeah I was willing to give it a try and I had pain in my left
thigh all of the time and I thought well Betty Iams a nice woman though I have never met
her, she suggested this therapy and said it worked for her so I would give it a try.
And I used some books underneath the frame of my bed and I would just give it a try,
he said six inches higher than your feet, Ok I can do maths, I can measure and so I
put the books under my bed and slept that way one night and though huh the pain’s gone
and my husband said I hate it so I said alight I will take the books out again.
The pain came back. I said the couch is out there I am sleeping
with the bed up and we have done it ever since. And that was back in 1998
So I have been sleeping that way ever since and my multiple sclerosis does not give me
any trouble, I have never taken any drugs or anything injectable or anything cancer
causing. I never take any drugs just the inclined bed has served me well since 1998.
That’s a good record. I believe you had an interesting conversation with your neurologist?
Yes, The neurologist recently told me that you don’t really need to come back to see
me again your better. I have never seen anyone get better, it is not a disease that is supposed
to get better he said don’t bother to come back ha ha
ha ha ha ha Brilliant I have never been happier to fire a doctor
in my life. Brilliant brilliant
One thing I noticed with David and yourself that has been sort of late 90’s that you have
been doing inclined bed therapy so that’s quite some time
Hmm hmm Did it take some time? How long did it take
for you to get a response or reaction with it any idea?
I had mine immediately because I had the pain and then it was gone and that is how multiple
sclerosis works it comes and goes but I had instant relief from the pain in my leg and
I had no reason to think that this isn’t working. Brilliant Yeah
Since then I have had amalgams removed from my teeth and my doctor not my neurologist
this is a different doctor who said I think you have had mercury poisoning as well as
your multiple sclerosis so with the amalgams removed from my teeth I think I have eliminated
mercury poisoning from my system. I still have had no problems with multiple sclerosis
and I have tried sleeping flat on a vacation when I couldn’t sleep inclined and I hated
it, my husband said he hated it too and even though he on one hand hates sliding down on
the bed on the other hand he can’t sleep flat now. ha ha
ha ha He is a fireman so occasionally he has to
go to the fire-station to sleep and he don’t sleep good there, it’s too much bother to
lift the bed up there. Although we just use PVC pipe and put it under
the leg of the bed and that’s how we raise our bed, the book thing didn’t really work
to well. Yeah that’s a great idea.
Yeah Depending on where we go my family have bricks
for me to use and that works for me if I at their house I have bricks. Whatever, I have
gone on a mission trip to Trinidad and we took pvc pipe on the trip to Trinidad and
I raised the bed there and had some rocks to help put underneath it but the pvc pipe
seems to work really well. Brilliant brilliant
It’s easy to cut and you can make it whatever length you want.
Yes that sounds a very simplistic way yeas I am all about simple things and blood .
We have a question in the chat which refers to the bed as well which clearly enjoyed you
mentioning about sliding down the bed and said if the bed is tilted that much how does
one stay on it without sliding to the end? My bed is tilted 4 inches and I have had constantly
to stop myself from going to the bottom of the bed.
What you can do there is to wrap an old duvet if you have a spare duvet or a blanket, wrap
it tightly around the mattress and then put your top sheet on and that extra friction
that you get from the duvet or the blanket prevents the slipping.
Very smart thinking that Well these are some of the tips that many
people who have been helped have handed over. What Terri was saying there about an instant
reaction a lady, she’s an ex nurse and she has a condition called psoriatic arthritis
and she would wake up every morning racked with pain and she admitted to me that a while
back, quite a few years back that she was ready for a wheelchair. Life for her was a
real struggle, she would immerse her hands in hot water trying to get her hands to move
and after about a hour and a half of pain she would be able to move her hands. She ran
a guest house at the time so it was a real struggle for her.
She tilted her bed and got up the next morning and she didn’t need to immerse her hands in
water they worked. So that was from one night sleeping on an angled bed.
Brilliant To this date she is a very good friend of
ours now, her psoriasis has completely gone, she has no more pain in her joints, she can
walk miles it’s amazing. And another lady with psoriasis, took a series
of photographs and we actually saw all of the changes in her skin.
She went to virtually having no psoriasis with photographic evidence.
It’s absolutely brilliant You know if you stop to think, like said at
the start of this, who was the person that determined that the whole human race should
sleep flat? When animals seldom sleep flat
You know if you watch cows and sheep in the field and there is a hillside they will all
be facing up the hill when they are laying down.
Chimps sleep in trees and those trees are not flat.
Gorillas will lean up against a tree. Even alligators and crocodiles and snake alter
their posture, they don’t stay flat for long. An alligator will lower it’s head to cool
it’s temperature and raise it’s head to increase it’s temperature and so do lizards in an aquarium,
vivarium. You know and birds, many birds will sleep standing up, some horses will sleep
standing up. I mean effectively all I had ever known about
that is if you are camping, don’t sleep with your head down the slope because your head
fills up with water if you like a balloon so that was the only thing I’d ever thought
about that. I have some feed back from people that camp
out a lot and they say that they try and pitch the tent so that there is a slight incline
and they actually feel warmer. Which is another thing that we have found is that the sloping
bed increases your metabolism. If you suffer with cold hands and cold feet, all of a sudden
you get nice warm hands and nice warm feet in bed, which indicates your circulation has
improved and your metabolism has improved. My Granddaughter is three now, but since she
has been born she has had trouble with reflux, acid reflux and the babies sleep is not fine
because all she was doing is crying. And my Daughter is the one that did Andrew’s
study and we tried to do the circulation thing in the science fair thing and so my daughter
understands his theory and she was quick to put a block or something under the crib to
make sure that she is inclined and that helped her acid reflux tremendously.
Brilliant And my husband also suffers from that acid
reflux disorder and we put our bed up, he doesn’t have that problem any more.
It is interesting, my great grandmother slept with her bed inclined and I am guessing that
she had an acid problem and that it helped her stomach. I was four years old I am 51
now. She was sleeping with her bed inclined and we didn’t know anything about Andrew’s
study then so it must have been something that people do.
Yes Somewhere along the line, somebody had the
idea that we should sleep with the head of our bed up so that out tummy’s don’t hurt.
Yes The medical profession will also use it for
respiratory failure, they will raise people’s beds at the head end but they generally sit
people up and that is not the same as an inclined bed.
No A lot of people think that being sat up in
bed is the same. ” I have got lot’s of pillows so I am already doing it. No your not!
If you are sitting up you are actually preventing yourself from laying on your sides comfortably,
so you are always going to be laying on your back and that’s not good being in the same
position every night. You need to be able to rotate.
That was actually a question I meant to ask you.
Does it matter about laying on your side or on your back?
Not at all not at all. On your back is probably the worst for oxygenation. On your side is
going to be better. And in fact there is some research that prone
position or laying on your tummy improves the effectiveness of the lungs, which is a
little bit disturbing when mothers are told to put the baby flat on their backs
Right Well yeah they switch that up every now and
again and the current thing is they should be on their sides.
Yes My Granddaughter was told her baby should
be on her side. Yes, I have been saying this for years. Ha
ha ha In fact I had a meeting with Dr Shireen Chantler
MA PhD from the Foundation For Sudden Infant Death Syndrome at her home in London and she
saw my experiments she heard my explanation, she turned around to me and she looked me
in the face and said; My god you have solved it. I said what do you mean by that. She said
you have solved sudden infant death syndrome. That’s right
I then said so we can now tell mothers and fathers to put their babies on an angle?
Oh no it’s not that simple. Of course it is.
Of course it is. You know in fact there is a new movement called
Kangaroo baby care, where the parents never put their babies flat down in a bed, They
have them up against themselves, they take it in turns, the Husband picks the baby up,
the mother picks the baby up, they don’t put that baby down.
I couldn’t do that forever but at some point you have got to put the baby down.
Well yes but for short periods of time I should imagine its ok. But it’s not ok to leave a
baby flat for all those hour But it is interesting that my Daughter who
did the experiment realised that yes that’s what she wants to do with her babe.
Fantastic Well there was an interesting one with human
fertility, a member of the family a lady was having trouble with IVF In-vitro fertilization.
She had spent a fortune, she couldn’t conceive. And she gave up, so I convinced her to put
the bed on an angle and without IVF she had a baby.
Congratulations It’s fascinating and if we look in space travel
they have actually observed the way sperm swims and it loses it’s motility when it is
in zero well micro-gravity. So they are saying now the latest buz is that long term space
flight would or could make some people sterile. Didn’t you say Andrew that there was someone
that had significant improvements with quadriplegic or paraplegic that could walk again?
Yes that was John Cann, he was a fantastic guy, he has passed away john has, he died
at 76 years of age. He had trouble with his medication, I won’t go into the details but
it was not related to the sloping bed. And he was paralysed for 10 and a half years I
think it was. He was filmed by Carlton Television News. He got out of his wheel chair and he
walked on Carlton Television news. You can see his feet moving correctly and his knees
lifting it was incredible, he walked between two parallel bars and he walked to one end
of the bars. I had assembled the bars at his home and turned around and walked back in
front of the cameras. I will always remember Tim Iredale saying,
he was the news reporter, He said this is one of those days you will always remember
where you were. It is an absolute pleasure watching this, seeing you working with these
people is incredible. How long did it take it take him to sleep
inclined before he could do that? I forget, I haven’t got the notes with me
now but it took quite a while, probably took over a year.
I was trying to remember, I think I read it it was about a year.
Yes But you see John was not by any means the
first, in fact I have just uploaded the case histories onto the website at http://inclinedbedtherapy.com
And it’s under my research tab under the main menu, you will see the spinal cord injury
case histories that I have uploaded. The first two, Julian Boustead and John Mason
both complete spinal cord injuries, incredible results with both of these guys. That then
led on to helping more people with spinal cord injuries. But I tried on the Carecure
forum to introduce the theory and many people there were shooting me down in flames but
a few people decided to give it a try and when they come back and started to report
that they were improving also, they were also ridiculed and chased off the website and they
had been there for years and friends of these people.
And some even accused me that I had invented these people, so to do that I would have had
to have gone there 4 or 5 or 6 years before and spent months and months and months of
posts to different people on the pretext of trying to introduce people who were showing
results? It was ridicules but they would rather believe
that than that putting two blocks of wood under the bed would out smart the people that
were involved in spinal cord research? Well in reality I can understand that because
I must admit that when I first saw your show with Clive De Carle it was something that
and I do praise myself for keeping an open mind when I seen it, I thought that would
not really be worth watching and you know but when I did, it didn’t half hit me right
between the eyes. You shouldn’t rule anything out, you should look in and see and become
informed I think Never judge a book by it’s cover.
Yeah exactly And the best part about this whole thing is
that no one is making any money on it, which is unfortunate for Andrew but no one is making
any money on it and this is something you can try and if you don’t like it don’t do
it but it doesn’t hurt give it a try. Yes that’s a good point
It doesn’t harm you to try it in the least and you might discover something that you
didn’t even expect I mean one of the best things about it is it made my nails better
than they were before, I mean really? I mean I’m a woman and it matters to me but something
silly like that I mean your hair, your nails that improving because your circulating all
of those minerals in your system Yes
Yes it did me Terri, I had siatica of the nerves and things like that, I found the nails
were actually stronger and growing faster That’s right
Right Yeah. I also was walking using a walking stick
for 4 years and I had all the symptoms of multiple sclerosis but I refused to go to
the Doctors because they would just give me a bucket full of pills anyway.
The best case so far was a girls with cerebral palsy, she was 12 years of age and her parents
called me and asked me about a bull terrier and the question was, what would an adult
male bull terrier be like around a severely disabled child?
I said what’s the matter with your kid? She said why do you want to know?
I said, I might be able to help. She said don’t be bloody ridiculous, I rang
for information about a dog, she said I have been half way around the world no body can
help my daughter. I said, look I can’t make you listen
She said well spit it out then, so I told her all about my research and how it had been
helping people with multiple sclerosis and people with spinal cord injury and that it
might just work with a child with cerebral palsy. By now she had told me that her daughter
had cp and up to the age of 12 had never walked and she wore callipers day times and night
times to keep her legs straight. She had no muscles on her legs, very frail and they tilted
the bed. It took quite a few months I think it was about 8 months probably longer when
the school rang up and said that this little girl had got out of her wheelchair and walked
at school. That’s the first time in 12 years. Wow
And it was quite a few months later, this girl actually called me up and I picked the
phone up and she said are you Andrew? I said Yes
She said I’m the little girl that you have been helping.
She said I have just called to say thank you for what you have done for me.
Do you know, my legs went to jelly and I collapsed on the floor, I couldn’t even stand up.
Oh my That was absolutely incredible.
I was going to say that to you earlier on that it must give you such a heart warming
feeling when you see these people recovering. It’s good Steve because like you say it’s
good for the soul, not that I believe I am not religious at all in any way, but if I
had my time over again I would do it all over again, because hey, If I don’t do it nobody
else is going to do it. You can’t wait for the doctors to come round
and do it because there is no money in it. The scientists are not going to do it because
there is no money in it. You know so and don’t even get me started
on the Governments. Ha ha ha
Even the bed makers don’t make beds like that because there is no money in it.
Now you have hit the nail on the head. In the early days I used to have beds made by
Silent Night beds and they said that they had to stop.
I said why have you got to stop making them? They said well it’s casting a lot of doubt
on the beds we make ha ha ha
We can’t really help you with the advertising because we would be shooting ourselves in
the foot. that was the end of that relationship.
And in fact it had already helped the chief executives personal secretary who had ms,
unbeknown to me they had made an inclined bed for her and she had shown remarkable improvements
too. You certainly made my bed.
Aye Hello Sir
Hello Donald Hi Andrew how are you?
I am very good thank you my friend. Hi Terri I just want to say you are great
Oh thank you why? You just really hit the nails on the head
with these things and it’s just really great to hear the input
Well, I like what he has done for us. Yes it’s just incredible
Andrew didn’t you say that sitting in a wheelchair is a horrendous thing to make people do, if
you have got this disease anyway why would you sit in a wheel chair all day?
Yeah Wheelchair posture is really wrong, you know
bucket seat posture with your knees higher than your seat, that is going to compromise
circulation down through your body together with pressure you have got on your buttocks
yeah definitely a no no. And in fact I took the main board room at
Jaguar cars and they said normally 20 minutes would suffice and people would start walking
out of the room with these high ranking directors. But the talk was about how car seats are making
people fall asleep at the wheel. Because of bad posture. I said I referred
to it as wheelchair posture and that talk at Jaguar cars lasted 2 hours and I captivated
everyone, not one person left the room. But they said they couldn’t do anything about
the car seating because they have design constraints on the vehicles, whatever that means, I haven’t
been able to work that out yet. So Donald how has inclined bed therapy done
for you? Oh it’s done really well Andrew and I am actually
lying on my inclined sofa watching my computer. I won’t give this incline up for anything.
So Steve you would ask people how they have gotten on to this thing? Yeah I was trying
to do the exact opposite of what Andrew suggested, I had been to the doctor a couple of years
ago and she told me that I was, or she thought I was getting heart disease or atherosclerosis
and wanted to put me on the medications that are going around for that. I didn’t want any
part of that. So I had remembered I had rented a home one
time where the bed was actually inclined at the foot end by a couple of inches and I thought
I was getting some relief from that, so I went on the internet to see if something like
that would help me. The unfortunate thing about doing research on the internet is that
I can find anything to corroborate any theory I can come up with
That’s true So I tried to discipline myself to find anything
that corroborates the opposite, so I bumped into some of the stuff Andrew had written
up talking about how we are supposed to sleep the exact opposite way and I thought oh what
is this and I started to read into it and I was like oh my goodness this guy has really
gone into a lot of detail so I had read the recommendations to raise the head end of my
bed starting out with a few inches, well I couldn’t wait, I think I inclined about 4
inches and before bed time I already had it up to six or 7″
Ha ha ha That’s where you belong
Yeah ha ha ha Thanks
Well the Doctor had actually told me earlier that day that she wasn’t getting any pulse
in my right foot and I had an eye stoke about six months earlier and she said oh my god,
your arteries are hardening and this is why she wanted to put me on the statins as well.
That night I could feel the blood flow tunnelling through whatever blockages i was experiencing
in my right foot. Then my eyesight started to get better during
the time I had actually managed to quit smoking for a little bit
I haven’t managed to conquer that one yet. But boy I just felt so much better, probably
the thing that most people could identify with in my story are the unexpected benefits
as so many of us have had other benefits I had a garden where I worked that had about
700 petunia plants and I would squat every year to plant these in and I wouldn’t get
done with the planting before I was having terrible lower back pains and sometimes I
would have to take a full minute just to stand up straight.
That winter, I started sleeping inclined with the bed head end up six inches and the feet
down. The following spring I planted 1300 petunia plants not one episode of back pain
at all. Ha ha Its incredible
My mother who is now 81 this was a couple of years ago that I started this and I was
talking to her about it and oh I think anybody who has tried to become an inclined bed therapy
evangelist has run into this I mean, people think I am a cook it’s almost like I got a
Like you know so anyway that’s ok because the couple of people that have tried it and
benefited makes it all worth while and hearing from people on this show also is really great
and I told my mother about this and so she tried it and then as always all the benefits
are always preceded by a a little a little discomfort like going to the gym and working
out. And then all of a sudden there’s a benefit. My mother was all set to put it back down
she was having pain in her back from this. After about 6 days and on the 7th day she
came out of the shower in the morning sat down to clip her toe nails and said oh my
goodness I was able to lift my left foot up onto my right knee without having to use my
hands. Ha ha ha
Wow I haven’t been able to do that in five years.
he he he Now she is telling me that her balance is
increasing tremendously so now I am starting to do my own offshoot quasi enthusiast research
which I am looking up, you know how blood circulation affects the vestibular and there
is so many directions we can go in. Anyway, I tend to be long winded and that’s my story.,
Brilliant, thank you very much Donald Sure
We didn’t hear where does Donald live? Oh I’m in New Haven Connecticut Terri.
Yeah another Yankee here I’m in Ohio
Your in among friends, we have
a lot of American listeners and American hosts and some are especially first nations people
so yeah way we look at Awake is that all races cultures and religions we have all got to
come together and share this kinda knowledge because certainly the powers that be we call
them certainly don’t want us to be healthy it would appear.
The government doesn’t want us healthy. Yeah, what it is, is a sickness industry,
if we are all well, they are out of business. That’s right
Did you say how long you had been doing the therapy Donald?
Let’s see I, when did I first contact you Andrew about 2 years ago?
Yeah it’s been about 2 years. As a matter of fact yeah I only discovered
it recently Terri I couldn’t believe that when I discovered it about two and a half
years ago and Andrew had been working on it since like the 1990’s It’s like oh my god
where have I been? Yeah so anyway it’s been about 2 and a half
years. I have been doing this since 1998 Don
Well it certainly seems that there is an initial effects that can be quite a positive, obviously
over the long term you know you have got to be patient with it I think.
Yes The first two weeks can be problematic for
some people as Donald said it feels like you have been working out in the gymnasium, your
muscles are aching, you can get a stiff neck, I remember getting a stiff neck=, but I also
remember one of the days we took the lads down to the beach and the lads had skate boards
and I had a bull terrier pulling them up and down the beach and I was running in front
shouting the dog and the dog was a big powerful dog pulling the lads at tremendous speed and
the dog was falling on the floor completely done in and when I got back I said oh the
poor dog. I remember Jude saying how come you are not
out of breath? Why have you done all of this and you are not out of breath?
And another thing that we noticed as that if we walked up the hill we would normally
ache and with bags filled with shopping we would pull over and stop, but now we were
able to carry on without stopping so you know that the benefits are quite remarkable.
Yeah When I was first diagnosed in 1998 I had a
great deal of difficulty walking for any length of time and I thought for sure I was going
to follow the normal progression of multiple sclerosis getting worse worse worse and since
I started this right away since I was diagnosed I am impressed that I have got better and
better and it has constantly got better and better and I have never had a huge set back
that put me back further than where I started from.
That’s quite impressive because anyone that knows anything about multiple sclerosis is
that it generally does not take any prisoners Yeah In the initial study we had two ladies,
two ophthalmologists, this was the pilot study before Terri joined, the first pilot study.
Two ladies ophthalmologists wrote to me and said could you explain to me how putting two
blocks of wood under someone’s bed can restore someone’s sight?
I had to go down and explain to them, they were fascinated.
Yes it sure did mine You know Steve there was one benefit that
I will take a risk on saying here on radio is anybody with erectile dysfunction can get
benefits from this. That’s true as well yes
You know when I erm, how can I put this on radio, well let me just say that one time
the woman I was seeing at the time said I am really impressed with what this has accomplished
Ha ha ha I’m going to get a T shirt with that on printed
on it. Well this could almost be a test for Granada
Steve’s radio listening audience, we all remember how the sales of viagra took off to the point
that they had to re-double and triple their forecasts. Now we have to find out if every
body starts sleeping on inclined beds. He he he he
Quite As long as it works that’s all good.
Yeah well put Donald. Very subtle
You know all I could say is if you get a tonne of listener-ship out of this starting in the
next 5 minutes you know he he he he he he
If there is any profit generated from this do something to promote what Andrew has done
because, I mean just the number of people that have been helped, I can’t imagine that
Andrew doesn’t feel like the richest man alive right now.
I do I do Not to say that there isn’t a price that comes
along with that he gets a lot of other people writing in stuff saying he’s a cook but they
are all people who haven’t tried it Yes.
I have yet to hear from one person who has give this a good try say that it’s nuts. Not
one. Hi Donald
I have been using for the last 18 years at least. I live in Yorkshire and I admit major
spine problems working off shore as an engineer and I was using a walking stick over 4 years
as I was constantly falling over. Very very similar to ms symptoms, but I refused to go
to the doctors after I found Andrew Yes
One thing that I will say for your listeners is Inclined bed therapy is the cure for migraines!
The last one I had was in 1994 I can quite believe that.
And another lady now has just joined us who suffers with terrible migraines and I asked
her the other day how many migraines have you had since, she said none!
So that’s another load of pills that need to go in the bin.
That don’t work incidentally. Bathroom visits In the middle of the night
and someone else had also indicated that that would help her main thing that she was trying
it for and she said it had helped tremendously and fewer times she had to get up in the night.
That’s right, night time urination yes, but also bed wetting, anybody that’s having problems
with the youngsters bed wetting tilt the bed. I have had lots and lots of reports saying
it stops instantly. And again that’s down to the 2 degree temperature
drop when you are lying on a flat bed, that means your body temperature drops so you feel
cold and when you feel cold you need to pee. So if your asleep unfortunately that’s when
you get an accident. But if your body temperature is not dropping there is no need to, well
you don’t get the urge. I think it was the lady that got me to start
with it is Betty is the person that suggested she had fewer reasons to have to get up during
the night and she appreciated it. Yes, that’s one of the first reports that
we get back in. Another one was a lady with osteoporosis,
a lady called Ruby Tate, she actually appeared on the local television although I have lost
the original broadcast it was on a video tape that got destroyed, but when I met the lady
she had answered a little advert in the newspaper and this was before I had the internet and
it just said, looking for volunteers to sleep with the head of the bed raised six inches
and that’s all that I put. Because that’s all I could afford
She came back to me, she contacted me and she said she couldn’t believe the differences.
Again she was racked with pain, if she needed to turn around she would have to turn her
whole body around because her body was seizing up. She couldn’t drive her car because she
couldn’t look in the mirror, she couldn’t turn over in bed because she was in agony.
Tilted her bed and all of those problems just vanished.
She got full movement of her body and spine and neck, she was able to drive again, she
could turn over in bed she could clothe herself, dress herself, put her bra on, none of these
things she could achieve and her husband Harry, well her partner, he wasn’t her husband partner
called Harry he had what they call a suppurating scar on his arm which had been there for 30
years it healed up. Wow
Amazing Have you had any contact with people who have
diabetes and how this affects them? Well yes good point Terri Yes a lot of reports
back from people with diabetes. A gentleman over in Brixham we have found that his blood
sugar levels are becoming more normal and his insulin has dropped quite dramatically,
he is on about a quarter of the dose he was on before he tilted the bed.
And he had a bleed behind his eye and he was told that he needed surgery, this is laser
surgery, and the bleed stopped, they were mystified by what had happened.
And then he moved over to Canada for a little while on holiday a long holiday and he slept
flat and his eye started to bleed again from the back of his eye.
But when he got back to the UK, it stopped again because he was on his sloping bed.
But interestingly enough his wife, has got type 1 diabetes caused through a steroid prednisalone,
she was overdosed on prednisalone and she was told it had destroyed her pancreas and
that it would never work again. And low and behold she is now starting to
produce her own insulin again. So her insulin dose is dropping.
Which is fantastic, but the icing on the cake for diabetes is a guy called Tetaake Yee Ting
who is a doctor over in Pohnpei Island and with the help of the government there and
the doctors and the local hospital and the college, they conducted a study with a group
of patients with diabetes and they tilted the beds.
Right across the board they listed a whole number of other complaints they have and all
of their sugar levels had dropped, all but two who had gone in the opposite direction.
So being a lateral thinker himself he investigated why these two had gone in the wrong direction
and both of them admitted that they hadn’t been sleeping on an inclined bed and that
one had been binging out a wedding and another had been binging out for two days at a funeral.
But when they went back to the inclined bed their blood sugar levels came down as well,
quite significantly. So this is really important and I have always
maintained as well that these rows of poor people who are in the hospitals and are having
their limbs amputated with gangrene, this can be stopped, you know, it is totally unnecessary.
If they modified their beds, I am sure that many of those amputations would be averted.
They are going to have to change their eating habits as well as their sleeping habits.
Well yes, but the Americans introduced their diet to the Pohnpei Island. They were ok when
they had their own native diet, they were very healthy indeed. Unfortunately the American
way has got the better of them. My condolences to them. There was a child locally with an enlarged
dysfunctioning pituitary gland.. Quite severe paralysis and I met this lady who was at a
party and had her head down looking all depressed, so I asked her what the matter was? And she
told me all about her son and she tilted the bed. And a year later I was at another party
and this lady kept looking at me strange and I thought well there is something going on
here and she came over in front of my wife and put her arms around me. And said it worked.
By now I had forgotten all about who it was Wow
She said my son is working out down the gymnasium he has got the use of his arms his hands and
his legs back. I am bringing Rubicon into the call just now
and I will try and get Avalina into the call if I can.
Can you hear me? Yes yes we can
We can hear you ahh good
Are you still there Yes
Have you tried the inclined bed therapy? Yes I have, yes I have been doing if for 6
years now Wow
I had terrible stomach problems for a number of years and I went to the Doctor but unfortunately
the tablets I was given had many side effects. Course they do
Yes of course so one of them unfortunately was breast enlargement and being a small lady
That can’t be a bad thing he he he he I didn’t want to have a sort of over toppling
problem you know Anyway so I came off those and well didn’t
know what to do really and found Andrew’s inclined bed therapy and thought I would give
it a try. My husband made the bed and I can safely say
within 2 or 3 days I had no more stomach problems. Yeah so I am a great advocate of inclinedbedtherapy.com
not only that I find I am more refreshed in the morning I sleep better and I get over
things quicker, you know illnesses and I am less thirsty in the mornings and it’s a great
mood lifter. Brilliant yes.
Did you say your husband is trying it? Is that David?
Yes it is Hello David
Well yes we are getting around to it we sleep in separate beds, Yeah I like to sleep separately,
I like to get a good nights sleep. But yeah we are working on that David at some
point we are going to order the wood when we have got some money order some wood at
the end of the year and my husband will make an inclined bed for himself
Excellent Thank you for chipping in, very interesting.
What were your stomach problems, acid reflux? Yes that’s right, I mean it is so debilitating
all day finding whatever you eat you just feel you have got this terrible heart burn
and acid reflux and all related problems etc, it didn’t matter what I did, let’s just say
that other things have helped too since then, but the first thing that helped was the inclined
bed therapy Right
Yeah from there I was able to take things further, you know change diet eventually etc
but to start off not to have to take the tablet and have a natural replacement for that you
know was really important to me. I don’t like taking tablets.
Was that zantac, I just hate having to take those?
Oh yes exactly, I am not a person for taking tablets so I really did resent taking anything
that could give me side effects so it was lovely, really great to have that feeling
of ahh I have got some relief with the inclined bed therapy and then from then on I could
make changes. So I have stayed inclined and what I suppose I aught to say to people is
to try it and stay on it, don’t come off it when your symptoms have ceased. When you feel
that things have changed, I know a lot of people have said oh I tried it and it was
really great, but then went back of course to sleeping flat. Well I think that is a disaster.
Why would they do that Well people I suppose sleeping in bed with
partners, perhaps there have been problems there and.
I said there was a couch Yeah well that’s right but I can understand
but you know I suppose that’s what I want to say really is stay with it if you are going
to do inclined bed therapy don’t give up after a couple of months stay with it.
Yeah Interesting that you were talking about people
who were on it that got away because I can’t get away, when I went away to my sisters place
in Vermont and I had to sleep flat I thought that I was going to die in my sleep
Yeah, absolutely, you feel suffocated don’t you.
Yes yes I also want to tell you something great that
happened because I live on a small island and there is only 57 of us and 3 people here
also sleep inclined. One particular man they are all elderly but one of them had a very
bad varicose vein in his leg and for years he has had this varicose vein.
I would say it was in 3 or four days his varicose vein disappeared after sleeping inclined.
Which is fantastic isn’t it It is fantastic
That’s beautiful Yeah and he stayed inclined. I say to him
are you still inclined? He says Oh yes. he he he he
And another guy also had a very bad neck problem and there has been no therapist that managed
to sort it out. He was suffering with his neck problem so
I thought I would mention it to him and he said Oh I will give it a try and again that
was within literally within a week. He said I don’t believe it, what Doctors couldn’t
fix, sleeping so simply it’s fixed. He said I am telling everyone I’m telling everyone,
i’m driving people mad, I’m telling them ha ha ha ha
He has become an inclined bed bore like the rest of us.
Yeah absolutely that’s right It is amazing some of the immediate benefits
a lot of them take a lot longer but my girlfriend remarked immediately that my snoring had almost
been eliminated. Oh Yeah Yeah The snoring is great
I told my cousin about that and suddenly her and her husband were sleeping in the same
bed again now. Because it eliminated his snoring. And then I called Andrew and told him about
this and he said oh yeah inclined bed therapy has saved many marriages.
Yes ha ha ha ha
Fantastic isn’t it Yes
You don’t expect it do you? Say again David
No I didn’t expect the snoring to improve and then a friend of mine is getting a lot
of treatment right now from specialists for sleep apnea I had heard through his co worker,
so I left him a note saying I have the solution for that and it’s absolutely free. He never
called me. It’s not the least bit difficult to deal with
a mask over your head while you are sleeping. Yeah and that’s what he is doing right now
while he is sleeping, dealing with the mask and everything rather than a call to a crazy
guy who sleeps at the same tilt that we all automatically pick when we go to the beach.
Yes I know one guy who moved down to the Virginia
coast from her because he said I always sleep so much better at the beach.
I didn’t want to break his heart and say guess what it isn’t the sun that’s doing it.
Ha ha ha Yeah It’s the same when you go camping isn’t
it when you find yourself on a slight incline you don’t realise how refreshed you feel from
it. I was just going to say I know other people
that report the same thing that you just said. And we can do it all right in our own home,
Yes for no cost Isn’t it interesting how resistant that people
are to try this though? Oh if you wanna lose popularity pretty real
quick Mention it
I have had friends de-friend me on Facebook for bringing it up
he ha ha ha ha ha I am really sorry to say this folks but we
have got about 5 more minutes and we may give each one of you a minute or so to maybe say
your websites and so on and your last parting words but I think for me I would prefer you
guys to come back again and tell me more of your experiences because I don’t think we
have covered it enough by far. It’s a long subject but where do you stop,
it just goes on and on. 20 years of my life. Didn’t NASA advertise for volunteers to sleep
inclined on their space subject. They were offering 7 thousand dollars.
Oh NASA, you have got space research as well, we covered that in the first part of the show.
But yeah they are paying people $17,000 dollars to stay in bed for three months and the bed
is slanted down head down and feet up. But they are studying this because of what
happens to astronauts in space because it ages 10 times faster when you take gravity
away so they come up with a great idea we will put people in bed and we will re-create
the 10 times ageing process and give them 17 grand to keep their mouths shut.
It has been an amazing adventure and all because we tried to understand how water got to the
top of a tree. Yeah ha ha ha ha
Terri do you have any parting words? I am just so thrilled that Andrew can share
this all with us, he did all the research and we get all the benefits.
Yeah ha ha He’s a nice feller isn’t he. I think we have all done the research. I wouldn’t
have been able to do anything if it hadn’t been for people like Terri and David and Donald
and Rubicon and now you Steve, your experimenting as well.
Yeah well I will show my bit on another occasions and will let you know how i get on, I am in
the early stages of it, I have problems getting into the bed to sleep, but whenever I can
get into the bed I am finding that I am sleeping really quite solid and my feet the swelling
is reduced but of course when I get up then it starts filling up my feet again but early
days for me I really haven’t given that a good enough shot yet but I will come back
to you and let you know. What I would like to say to your listeners
is if you do do this is to please keep a journal. I have a template on the Htto://inclinedbedtherapy.com
Forum and I will be modifying that template and putting it under my research tab and you
can download it and use this to record changes. There is also a document called things to
monitor, which I have uploaded to the website, it sort of outlines the parameters of the
research so highlights some things that you can look for that you wouldn’t normally be
looking for, like half moons on the fingers, finger nails growing stronger, smoother, hair
growing faster, people who have hair falling out, suddenly find that it is no longer falling
out. Old scar tissue seems to vanish as well, I
have a huge scar down my leg from barbed wire and that’s all filled in nicely it is hardly
visible. That groove had been in my leg since I was about 18 or 19.
Again if you keep a journal and jot down anything or record any photograph evidence of varicose
veins, photograph evidence of oedema, skin conditions such as psoriasis or even make
a video diary all of this will help to reach many more people.
Well I really hope that we can help you to do that and get the word out there. I really
do think you are on to something and simple simple thing like raising your bed six inches
I think it remarkable what you have done already and I really do think you are onto a good
thing and anything we can do to help promote you and the inclined bed therapy we shall
be trying our best. Thank you very much Steve
Would you like to give us your website again or any relevant information?
Yes we have a Facebook account as well which is again inclined bed therapy group and a
page And the website is http://inclinedbedtherapy.com
Cool cool Well I am reluctant to end the show folks
but we have got about four minutes and our next host will be here very very shortly.
I would like to say a big thanks to the people that have come in and shared their own experience.
This adds a lot more weight than me or you Steve just talking about this.
These are real people and I am very proud of you helping me thank you very much.
You are very welcome your very welcome
I am so glad that I could be of help That thanks comes from me as well I really
do appreciate you giving your experiences as Andrew said there is nothing like word
of mouth. This is the first time that I have been able
to talk about inclined bed therapy for this long without people trying to change the subject
Ha ha ha ha ha We may well have you back on again I think
Andrew was talking about doing a show in a few weeks or something like that when we have
people my end who are trying inclined bed therapy so we will try and work something
That will be great yeah It needs to be about 4 weeks minimum probably
even longer. I see
Probably even a couple of months before you will see the full effects.
For example if you wanted to ask somebody whether they have had a migraine in two months
and how many migraines would they have had in those two months before the bed was raised
Of course of course And how have the kids performed have they
stopped wetting the bed and lots of things but it does take time, it doesn’t, well it
does happen over night, but perhaps not one night.
We will keep a wee eye on it and see what we can get moving and I will certainly be
enthusiastic about it, Down to 3 minutes folks
May I say one thing before I go? Please do
I made a comic for Andrew an inclined bed comic to to really bring the message to life,
in colour and in pictures with a little Andrew Fletcher in there look alike. So if people
go on the site, on the inclined bed therapy site they will find the comic and it’s a nice
introduction to his ideas. So it really I hope and I am sure it’s helped lots of people
to get the idea quickly and then they could ask questions afterwords. so read the comic
as well Fantastic
I do like your comics Your Avalina?
Yes he he he OK I was puzzled as to who Rubicon was yeah
It’s my husbands account you see but there you go
I see I see Well thank you very much folks very much appreciate
you coming on Awake Radio and It won’t be that long before your on again giving your
experiences and I wish you the best and hope you keep good health in what you are doing
and Certainly I will report back any good health benefits from myself for sure.
I would like to say thank you to all of Steve’s listeners for sticking with us and I hope
you have enjoyed the show. I am sure they have yeah
Well that’s it for Granada’s workshop for this week folks, same time same place next
week, health permitting and once again thanking Andrew and the guests for appearing this week
and until then bye for now. Off air guys. Thank you very much I really really enjoyed
listening to your feedback yeah and it’s going to make a powerful powerful video and I am
sure it is going to attract a lot more people with having their personal accounts brilliant But Andrew as I said to you just before you
come on air if you want to do a regular show, you know an hour with one of your people in
the forum that may be not too much time for you or whatever you would like, it certainly
would be provided to you free of charge and yeah get the information out there as best
you can. That sound’s excellent.
I mean if it only lasts for for maybe 5 or six weeks that’s ok and not a problem.
I will take you up on that Steve Well yeah yeah I mean it’s it’s free of charge.
Yes I will take you up on that Steve We ask all our hosts to be honourable in their
actions and to be respectful in their actions, keep the swearing to a minimum and they are
free an uncensored Yes
So that’s the policy we can work on That sounds ok, That just about describes
my own ethics. Ha ha ha ha
I am prone to swearing if I hit my hand with a hammer or something like that.
Ok folks, I am sorry I am really having to go
Ok thanks very much folks and I will speak to you soon.
Bye mate Bye David
Bye Donald Goodbye Andrew